I recently spoke with a doctor who founded and runs a clinic specifically for women who are or want to be pregnant who have a mental illness diagnosis, everything from mild depression to schizophrenia with active psychosis. I approached her because I heard her ask a smart question of another doctor about the effects of antipsychotic meds prenatally (the question went without a satisfying answer). For a psychiatrist, she seemed very conscientious and caring, and far more aware of the dangers of psych meds than most. She also seemed to understand that withdrawal needs to be gradual. This doctor said that she tries to maintain all of her pregnant patients off of meds, and that if she sees women prior to becoming pregnant she has them withdraw over 3 months. This sounds hideously short, but is longer than the 2 week line I have been fed personally by doctors, and have even heard presented at research talks as “gradual,” and she is also probably treating women who are antsy to start getting pregnant ASAP (I know that feeling well).
What was scary about the conversation though was that she said “The absolute hardest to treat are bipolar I women who want to breastfeed.” She went on to describe how many/most of her bipolar patients have some level of post-partum psychosis and most end up back on drugs very quickly. She also said that for almost all of her patients, she has their pregnancies treated as high risk because of the association between birth trauma and schizophrenia (of course, a “high risk” label often leads to increased medical intervention at birth which leads to greater risk of c-section, which carries a higher risk of hypoxia, which is what has been linked to schizophrenia, but I digress). She also arranges for these women not to be left alone for over a month after birth, by encouraging paternity leave and arranging state supported doula care (she doesn’t practice in the US, so things like state supported doula care exist).
When she was describing this my blood went cold and I was filled with so many conflicting thoughts. On the one hand I was thinking, crap, I’ve been doing so well, but what if I actually am bipolar and I end up getting psychotic after birth (should I manage to get pregnant and all the way to the birth, I know I’m jumping ahead here). Maybe I’m fine now, but a birth will push me over the edge, only now I’ll be labeled as someone who is non-compliant since I won’t have informed any of those reponsible for my prenatal care about my “history.”
On the other hand, I was feeling confirmed in my gut instinct to stay as far away from the hospital as possible, both in terms of trying to get pregnant and for prenatal and birth care, and to take care not to go to a hospital that has access to my medication/lab or mental health records. If my pregnancy and birth (assuming I even get pregnant) get labeled “high-risk” you’d better believe my chance of a risky c-section goes through the roof. It hadn’t occurred to me that a doctor could use my mental health history to insist on more interventions at birth, but of course it makes perfect sense. In both birth and mental health care, medicine is about power as much as it is about health care. A diagnosis always gives the doctors the upper hand. I had only thought to worry about nurses and doctors being overly solicitous after the birth, offering me meds and psych consults before my feet hit the floor since I’d be “at risk” for post-partum depression. I hadn’t even managed to worry yet about the impact on the birth itself.
But some of what this doctor was saying made wonderful sense for anyone. NO woman should be alone with in a house with a baby mere days after giving birth, but most are. Dads and partners should be supported in taking generous parental leave, both to support their spouses, and to bond with their own child. State supported doula care would have felt like a gift from heaven when our daughter was born, and certainly would have helped many families we know through some very rocky first months as parents. So much of what should constitute good “mental health” care, is just caring for people through difficult times, and it was refreshing to hear a doctor acknowledge this.
Should I be lucky enough to actually pull off getting pregnant, a lot of what I’ll be dealing with in interactions with the medical world will be dramatically colored by my past interactions with psychiatry. I’ll have trouble deciding what and how much to tell my midwife. I’ll wonder whether I’m lying or whether I’m protecting myself and our child. I may be so fearful of transferring to a hospital during the birth, that I won’t be able to get down to the business of birthing (we planned a home birth for our daughter, but did end up transferring to the hospital, which is a whole separate story. It was the right decision, both to labor at home, and to transfer when we did). Some of my fears will be founded, and some won’t.
Tilting,
This is a tough one…
My thoughts (if you want them…):
1. You’ve been off meds and stable for some time, so I’m not sure that the doctors involved need to know about your mental health history…there’s not much a doctor can do in terms of prevention of an episode while you’re pregnant, because you certainly don’t want to be on meds of any sort if you can avoid it…other than suggest things like stress reduction techniques and good nutrition and gentle exercise and all those sensible things one should be doing while pregnant anyway…
2. I assume your partner would be intimately involved in the whole birthing process anyway…so you’d have someone right there who could inform the doctors of your history if that should become necessary…
3. If you stress out about this enough, it could become a self-fulfilling prophecy…you really don’t need stress when you’re pregnant…or any time, but especially when you’re pregnant.
4. You seem like a very sensible person, and your partner knows your history…I’m sure she’s going to be looking out for you…
You’ve got a lot to think about…I think if I’d gotten my (probably wrong) diagnosis before I had kids, my thoughts would be going exactly the same way yours are.
Love and luck to you both!
–Jazz
hi sweet TAW…
Have you seen “The Business of Being Born?” A documentary that puts obgyn to shame as much as psychiatry should be shamed…
Please watch it.
My conclusion was that if birth is natural—-completely natural—with no synthetic hormones or labor induction etc, then the body produces “happy” hormones that allow you to bond with you baby and protect against post partum crap…
I felt this deeply as a truth as I watched this movie, though it was never said explicitly…
you can get the movie through netflix…if you have any trouble finding it, I will rent it through netflix again and mail it to you as long as you agree to send it back to netflix…
It is really an awesome movie and I was in tears through half of it…
I believe you can have a happy healthy baby and stay happy and healthy yourself if you allow you own natural chemicals to keep you high…oxytocin…the hormone that is released when the baby is born is basically a natural intoxicant and most women never get it because their labors are hindered by a multitude of drugs and hormones.
Thanks Jazz and Gianna (so glad to see you “out and about” Gianna!)
Jazz–Yes, the extra layer of worry doesn’t do anything to help, and yes, Agnes has my back.
Gianna–I have not seen “the Business of Being Born” but I’ve done tons of reading along those lines. Honestly, I probably won’t watch it, because I already believe the punch lines and it would only serve to get me even more riled up (and worried). Unfortunately, the “natural birth” world comes with its own set of unreasonable expectations and assumptions which we know from what we went through with our daughter’s birth.
My approach these days to all things that can end up unnecessarily medicalized, is to start the process (whatever it is) as far from the doctors as possible. That way, if you still end up getting invasive medical care, there’s a better chance you actually needed the medical help (which I totally get is sometimes necessary, and was at our daughter’s birth). That’s how we’re approaching pregnancy, by starting the process at home and holding off on meds. That’s how we’ll approach the birth if I’m lucky enough to get that far.
And yes, the hormones are serious. Agnes was in much better shape than me after 2+ nights awake in hard labor, and we credit the hormones entirely. I was hardly doing anything by comparison, and was completely tanked.
Just like people, every birth is different. 3 kids and 3 experiences, and 3 personalities born.
I’m keeping you in my thoughts.
(I had 3 kids, etc. I left that out)
The German psychiatrist, therapist and analytic Lilla Sachse ran a project in Germany during the 1990ies (I’m not sure, but as far as I know the project ran out of funding – surprise surprise Soteria… – while Lilla Sachse still works with diagnozed women in her private practice) that offered therapeutic support to mothers with an sz-diagnosis. Surprisingly – for the “experts” – it turned out that if only these women got enough emotional support during pregnancy and the first time after birth, they did exceptionally well. Giving birth to a child and being a mother actually was beneficial to their recovery in general.
But, well, apart from being a psychiatrist, Lilla Sachse also is a therapist and analytic, and she believes in the capability of her clients to heal emotionally. Which distinguishes her from most other psychiatrists.
I think, you’re doing wisely in not telling everybody, and in keeping the medical profession at arm’s length as far as possible. You only risk, that they become over the top concerned, almost expecting you to get into some kind of emotional trouble, and interpreting everything you say and do as a warning sign. I don’t know about you, but that would certainly drive me crazy.